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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:22:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:omg this ship will be so OP because it can tank first spawn in vanguard!
I think most people will just sell their marauders after the rebalancing nerf or just leave it as hangar queen.
83 pages and mostly posts about a fail attempt. CCP will just do what they want because hey, it tanks so much!
Why would a person that owns a Golem or a Vargur stop using them? Without the Bastian mode, they're pretty much the same ship they were before.
Sobaan Tali wrote:Well, this winter's gonna get pretty cold from the looks of it. Marauders' base stats getting nerfed/useful bonuses getting removed and given a mod that makes them minute-long bulls-eyes and gives them little to offer in PVE outside of...wait for it...you guessed it, MOAR TANK.
More tank means less slots used for tank. Less slots used for tank mean more slots used for damage application.
marVLs wrote:
I mean in LVL4 RNI will overall be better than them in damage, damage projection, and time. Same with some others navy and pirate ships. No need for more tank.
With 30% more resists, and 100% boost amount out of the bastian, a Golem is going to be able to use a 2 midslot tank, and still get 600 - 700 DPS active tank. That leaves it with up to 5 midslots free for bonused target painters. Most likely 4, because a MJD would be very useful for moving around the field.
I don't know how many your standard RNI would use, but I doubt it's more than two. Those TPs are going to make the Golem is going to be hitting cruisers a hell of a lot harder. And will have the extra 25% range bonus
TL:DR A tank bonus gives you more damage application! |
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:23:00 -
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:45:00 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:hmskrecik wrote:I guess there is needed something holding it back from becoming "I WIN" button. Since when did they become IWIN? They tank better? Alright, but why do I need more tank? Tanking NPCs was not a challenge since... ever, and now we've got MJD, so you can always save your butt if something goes wrong. Hell, I was running angel havens in a freaking Hurricane! And a Dominix can just sit nicely 100 km away, popping up everything. If I bring a carrier - I can wreck havoc and then salvage with ghost-rided Noctis. So once again - what's the advantage of Marauders? In bastion or not, they're just inferior.
I'm gonna set up a macro to just spam this. Because it seems like I need to.
A tank bonus gives you more damage application, because you're wasting less slots on tank that you could be using for target painters/tracking enhancers/damage mods!! Rather than using 5 slots for tank, you can drop it down to 2 or 3. |
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:15:00 -
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Battle Cube wrote:
Meh.... in a shield fit the most of the lows you were using was a damage control, and freeing mids just gets you more damage application but not real damage. So less tank slots on a shield fit marauder just means a little more range on its already high bonuses in bastion mode - so what does this mean? Very little increased dps. I mean, before hand i was using rigs for dps and all lows but maybe 2 on my vargur.
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http://i.imgur.com/5xvLfzP.jpg
That one slot tank Vargur is going to get the same tank the 3 mid/1 low slot tank Vargur would get.
And that's not including the falloff bonus from the Bastion mod. |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:04:00 -
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Dolph Carebear wrote:My $0.02 is that Bastion kind of sounds cool as a basic idea, but PVE definitely doesn't need more tank, and no RR means no PVP applicability. Now if it worked like siege on dreads, that'd be different... But that's just my own agenda. (At least I have one.)
The extra tank was what had gotten me so exited.
Rather than using a 1 low slot/4 midslot tank on a golem, I'd be able to use a 2 midslot tank for the same effect. Putting more Target Painters and Damage Mod.
Now it's losing the resists. And it's original tank boost bonus for a web? I think I might just stick with the Rattlesnake.
I agree that there needs to be a serious thought about what the heck this ship is supposed to do. |
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